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	<title>Comments on: Free Speech in the 21st Century</title>
	<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/</link>
	<description>Tracking the battle over Network Neutrality</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114927</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 03:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114927</guid>
		<description>No, they're not blocking BitTorrent. However, if they were to do so, I'd say, "bully for them!" As I've written elsewhere, BitTorrent is an exploit. It attempts to seize priority for traffic -- bulk downloads and pirated material -- that should not have priority. It is also non-neutral in that it attempts to shift content providers' costs to ISPs. And it sets up servers on ISPs' networks for third parties without permission or compensation and in violation of their terms of service.

Protecting the integrity of the network PROTECTS free speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they&#8217;re not blocking BitTorrent. However, if they were to do so, I&#8217;d say, &#8220;bully for them!&#8221; As I&#8217;ve written elsewhere, BitTorrent is an exploit. It attempts to seize priority for traffic &#8212; bulk downloads and pirated material &#8212; that should not have priority. It is also non-neutral in that it attempts to shift content providers&#8217; costs to ISPs. And it sets up servers on ISPs&#8217; networks for third parties without permission or compensation and in violation of their terms of service.</p>
<p>Protecting the integrity of the network PROTECTS free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardBennett</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114896</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114896</guid>
		<description>According to Karr, they've already hit the switch, making it "virtually impossible for most of its users to use BitTorrent and other file-sharing applications."

But we know this isn't even close to being the truth.

FP's motives for misleading the public with such ridiculous charges  can't be good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Karr, they&#8217;ve already hit the switch, making it &#8220;virtually impossible for most of its users to use BitTorrent and other file-sharing applications.&#8221;</p>
<p>But we know this isn&#8217;t even close to being the truth.</p>
<p>FP&#8217;s motives for misleading the public with such ridiculous charges  can&#8217;t be good.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114881</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 20:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114881</guid>
		<description>Well, Richard, "Save the Internet" is telling us that they're worried that when their particular car gets to the metering light, Comcast or Cox or AT&#38;T or some evil demon will pull the switch and it'll just stay red. Forever. 

I don't think that they're really that paranoid; I think that they're lobbyists out to make a buck by spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt), no matter how far-fetched a conspiracy theory they're trying to hatch.

Oh, and by the way: I just looked up Free Press on a site that lists nonprofits, and they are registered as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit. That means that they shouldn't even be lobbying. It might be a good idea to report this to the IRS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Richard, &#8220;Save the Internet&#8221; is telling us that they&#8217;re worried that when their particular car gets to the metering light, Comcast or Cox or AT&amp;T or some evil demon will pull the switch and it&#8217;ll just stay red. Forever. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that they&#8217;re really that paranoid; I think that they&#8217;re lobbyists out to make a buck by spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt), no matter how far-fetched a conspiracy theory they&#8217;re trying to hatch.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way: I just looked up Free Press on a site that lists nonprofits, and they are registered as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit. That means that they shouldn&#8217;t even be lobbying. It might be a good idea to report this to the IRS.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardBennett</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114524</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114524</guid>
		<description>The fact remains that BitTorrent runs just fine on the Comcast network today. I've been seeding Fedora 9 on Comcast for 24 hours at an average rate of 40 Killobytes per second. So even after any RSTs that Comcast may be inserting, the application still runs well.

We don't object to metering access to freeways because we know that the net result of those lights on the on-ramp is to speed up the traffic flow for all of us. At the end of the day, that's exactly what Comcast and Cox are doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact remains that BitTorrent runs just fine on the Comcast network today. I&#8217;ve been seeding Fedora 9 on Comcast for 24 hours at an average rate of 40 Killobytes per second. So even after any RSTs that Comcast may be inserting, the application still runs well.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t object to metering access to freeways because we know that the net result of those lights on the on-ramp is to speed up the traffic flow for all of us. At the end of the day, that&#8217;s exactly what Comcast and Cox are doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114503</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114503</guid>
		<description>Tim, out here in the real world (rather than "inside the Beltway," where lobbyists invent issues to get themselves paid) we know that Comcast is doing the right thing. It's blocking bandwidth hogs and pirates and thereby PROTECTING free speech on the Internet. And it's doing this using a well known, established, and very effective technique which is not "forgery" but rather a leading edge technology.

We also know that your lobbying group, as well as the EFF, have conflicts of interest. The chairman of EFF is a board member and major stockholder of BitTorrent, Inc., and has caused that organization to circulate the misleading white papers you've cited above because it benefits his personal pocketbook. Your own organization makes money by stirring up false fears and then asking for contributions to fight the bogeymen you've dreamed up. 

What you're doing is beyond wrongheaded; it's harmful to consumers and destructive to the Internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, out here in the real world (rather than &#8220;inside the Beltway,&#8221; where lobbyists invent issues to get themselves paid) we know that Comcast is doing the right thing. It&#8217;s blocking bandwidth hogs and pirates and thereby PROTECTING free speech on the Internet. And it&#8217;s doing this using a well known, established, and very effective technique which is not &#8220;forgery&#8221; but rather a leading edge technology.</p>
<p>We also know that your lobbying group, as well as the EFF, have conflicts of interest. The chairman of EFF is a board member and major stockholder of BitTorrent, Inc., and has caused that organization to circulate the misleading white papers you&#8217;ve cited above because it benefits his personal pocketbook. Your own organization makes money by stirring up false fears and then asking for contributions to fight the bogeymen you&#8217;ve dreamed up. </p>
<p>What you&#8217;re doing is beyond wrongheaded; it&#8217;s harmful to consumers and destructive to the Internet.</p>
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		<title>By: tkarr</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114403</link>
		<dc:creator>tkarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 11:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114403</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Reality 101:&lt;/b&gt;

Lesson 1: &lt;a href="http://www.eff.org/files/eff_comcast_report.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;EFF: Packet Forgery By ISPs&lt;/a&gt;

Lesson 2: &lt;a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/10/eff-tests-agree-ap-comcast-forging-packets-to-interfere" rel="nofollow"&gt;EFF: Comcast is Forging Packets&lt;/a&gt;

Lesson 3: &lt;a href="http://www.freepress.net/news/27176" rel="nofollow"&gt;AP: Comcast Blocks Some Internet Traffic&lt;/a&gt;

Lesson 4: &lt;a href="http://www.freepress.net/files/fp_et_al_nn_declaratory_ruling.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt; Free Press et al Petition for Declaratory Ruling&lt;/a&gt;

Lesson 5: &lt;a href="http://www.freepress.net/files/comcast_blocking_factsheet.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;Comcast Blocakge of BitTorrent 101&lt;/a&gt;

Lesson 6: &lt;a href="http://broadband.mpi-sws.mpg.de/transparency/results/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Max Planck Institute Finds Traffic Blocking&lt;/a&gt;

Comcast is using a packet forgery system that cause users' connections to drop. This is reportedly the same technique used by &lt;a href="http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/06/27/ignoring-the-great-firewall-of-china/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Internet censorship systems in China&lt;/a&gt;. The net effect: Comcast blocks users efforts to use the Internet. 

This is no longer in dispute in the real world. It was the clear consensus at both FCC hearings. The question now is the appropriate punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Reality 101:</b></p>
<p>Lesson 1: <a href="http://www.eff.org/files/eff_comcast_report.pdf" rel="nofollow">EFF: Packet Forgery By ISPs</a></p>
<p>Lesson 2: <a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/10/eff-tests-agree-ap-comcast-forging-packets-to-interfere" rel="nofollow">EFF: Comcast is Forging Packets</a></p>
<p>Lesson 3: <a href="http://www.freepress.net/news/27176" rel="nofollow">AP: Comcast Blocks Some Internet Traffic</a></p>
<p>Lesson 4: <a href="http://www.freepress.net/files/fp_et_al_nn_declaratory_ruling.pdf" rel="nofollow"> Free Press et al Petition for Declaratory Ruling</a></p>
<p>Lesson 5: <a href="http://www.freepress.net/files/comcast_blocking_factsheet.pdf" rel="nofollow">Comcast Blocakge of BitTorrent 101</a></p>
<p>Lesson 6: <a href="http://broadband.mpi-sws.mpg.de/transparency/results/" rel="nofollow">Max Planck Institute Finds Traffic Blocking</a></p>
<p>Comcast is using a packet forgery system that cause users&#8217; connections to drop. This is reportedly the same technique used by <a href="http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2006/06/27/ignoring-the-great-firewall-of-china/" rel="nofollow">Internet censorship systems in China</a>. The net effect: Comcast blocks users efforts to use the Internet. </p>
<p>This is no longer in dispute in the real world. It was the clear consensus at both FCC hearings. The question now is the appropriate punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardBennett</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114368</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 09:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114368</guid>
		<description>Tim Karr tells the biggest whopper of his big whoppers: "That Comcast secretly put in place a system that makes it virtually impossible for most of its users to use BitTorrent and other file-sharing applications has been widely documented by independent and authoritative sources."

Comcast customers don't have this experience, and no responsible source has claimed it. Even Robb Topolski admits that he can download with BitTorrent from his Comcast connection just fine; he claims to have a problem seeding, and even that is in dispute. What Comcast does is limit BitTorrent seeding in order to make BitTorrent downloads run faster. There's nothing nefarious about that at all.

And BTW, BitTorrent doesn't deal with "Web content;" it's a file transfer application that moves files directly from user computers to other user computers. Take networking 101 before spouting such nonsense.

The regulatory hammer is still looking for a nail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Karr tells the biggest whopper of his big whoppers: &#8220;That Comcast secretly put in place a system that makes it virtually impossible for most of its users to use BitTorrent and other file-sharing applications has been widely documented by independent and authoritative sources.&#8221;</p>
<p>Comcast customers don&#8217;t have this experience, and no responsible source has claimed it. Even Robb Topolski admits that he can download with BitTorrent from his Comcast connection just fine; he claims to have a problem seeding, and even that is in dispute. What Comcast does is limit BitTorrent seeding in order to make BitTorrent downloads run faster. There&#8217;s nothing nefarious about that at all.</p>
<p>And BTW, BitTorrent doesn&#8217;t deal with &#8220;Web content;&#8221; it&#8217;s a file transfer application that moves files directly from user computers to other user computers. Take networking 101 before spouting such nonsense.</p>
<p>The regulatory hammer is still looking for a nail.</p>
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		<title>By: tkarr</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114176</link>
		<dc:creator>tkarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114176</guid>
		<description>Net Neutrality is not a “solution in search of a problem” as Bennett and other industry apologists have claimed. The problem is very real. Phone and cable companies seek to block and or degrade Web content in a discriminatory and, in Comcast’s case, deceptive, fashion.

That Comcast secretly put in place a system that makes it virtually impossible for most of its users to use BitTorrent and other file-sharing applications has been widely documented by independent and authoritative sources. This is no longer under dispute (except, perhaps, in the wild imaginings of some of our favorite trolls here). 

That this filtering and blocking is a problem spreading among giant network operators was confirmed today in an &lt;a href="http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/15/the-internets-wannabe-gatekeepers-comcast-now-cox/" rel="nofollow"&gt;exhaustive study&lt;/a&gt; that shows Cox Communications blocking in the same manner as Comcast. (&lt;a href="http://www.wetmachine.com/totsf/item/1191" rel="nofollow"&gt;Stay tuned&lt;/a&gt; for more twisted logic to explain this one away)  

It’s now up to the FCC to rule against such unreasonable and dishonest network management — and to Congress to safeguard an open Internet with enforceable Net Neutrality protections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Net Neutrality is not a “solution in search of a problem” as Bennett and other industry apologists have claimed. The problem is very real. Phone and cable companies seek to block and or degrade Web content in a discriminatory and, in Comcast’s case, deceptive, fashion.</p>
<p>That Comcast secretly put in place a system that makes it virtually impossible for most of its users to use BitTorrent and other file-sharing applications has been widely documented by independent and authoritative sources. This is no longer under dispute (except, perhaps, in the wild imaginings of some of our favorite trolls here). </p>
<p>That this filtering and blocking is a problem spreading among giant network operators was confirmed today in an <a href="http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/15/the-internets-wannabe-gatekeepers-comcast-now-cox/" rel="nofollow">exhaustive study</a> that shows Cox Communications blocking in the same manner as Comcast. (<a href="http://www.wetmachine.com/totsf/item/1191" rel="nofollow">Stay tuned</a> for more twisted logic to explain this one away)  </p>
<p>It’s now up to the FCC to rule against such unreasonable and dishonest network management — and to Congress to safeguard an open Internet with enforceable Net Neutrality protections.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardBennett</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114076</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-114076</guid>
		<description>lordofzwergs, somebody has to seed for somebody else to download, yes indeed. But Comcast doesn't slow down all seeding, only stand-alone seeding that's being done after a download completes (and only then if the network is heavily-loaded.) 

They don't mess with the seeding that happens during the download. So the point is that Tim Karr (and Free Press generally) have misrepresented what's happening on the Comcast network, and have also misrepresented what I've said by way of criticism of the their overbroad claims.

Tim Karr has given you the proof that what I say is true - and that what he says is not true - on this very comment thread. Free Press claims you can't use BitTorrent on Comcast, full stop: "Comcast blocks access to peer-to-peer networks." 

I've just downloaded Fedora 9 over Comcast using BitTorrent, and seeded after the download was done. According to Tim Karr this is impossible, but I've done it. The facts on not on Karr's side.

And also according to Tim Karr, an SMS Shortcode is a "Text Message" that has something to do with the Internet. But it's not.

And according to Tim Karr, it's OK for some web site owners to censor the content they deliver but not for others. 

Free Press employs some odd people, and it's clear that whatever merit their concerns about the Internet's future may have, by entrusting them to people like Mr. Karr they ensure that nobody will take them to heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lordofzwergs, somebody has to seed for somebody else to download, yes indeed. But Comcast doesn&#8217;t slow down all seeding, only stand-alone seeding that&#8217;s being done after a download completes (and only then if the network is heavily-loaded.) </p>
<p>They don&#8217;t mess with the seeding that happens during the download. So the point is that Tim Karr (and Free Press generally) have misrepresented what&#8217;s happening on the Comcast network, and have also misrepresented what I&#8217;ve said by way of criticism of the their overbroad claims.</p>
<p>Tim Karr has given you the proof that what I say is true - and that what he says is not true - on this very comment thread. Free Press claims you can&#8217;t use BitTorrent on Comcast, full stop: &#8220;Comcast blocks access to peer-to-peer networks.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just downloaded Fedora 9 over Comcast using BitTorrent, and seeded after the download was done. According to Tim Karr this is impossible, but I&#8217;ve done it. The facts on not on Karr&#8217;s side.</p>
<p>And also according to Tim Karr, an SMS Shortcode is a &#8220;Text Message&#8221; that has something to do with the Internet. But it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>And according to Tim Karr, it&#8217;s OK for some web site owners to censor the content they deliver but not for others. </p>
<p>Free Press employs some odd people, and it&#8217;s clear that whatever merit their concerns about the Internet&#8217;s future may have, by entrusting them to people like Mr. Karr they ensure that nobody will take them to heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Glass</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-113854</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2008/05/09/free-speech-in-the-21st-century/#comment-113854</guid>
		<description>Tim, your "threat" page is full of trumped up half-truths and does not show anything LIKE a "closed scheme of Internet fees and filters." You're crying wolf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, your &#8220;threat&#8221; page is full of trumped up half-truths and does not show anything LIKE a &#8220;closed scheme of Internet fees and filters.&#8221; You&#8217;re crying wolf.</p>
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