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	<title>Comments on: The Daily Show Takes on Stevens and His Bill</title>
	<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/</link>
	<description>Tracking the battle over Network Neutrality</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Raz</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1614</link>
		<dc:creator>Raz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1614</guid>
		<description>The "world", not just the internet, is not a level playing field for the little guy as long as large companies exist however all kinds of laws, rules and regulations are in place to protect the little guy and to try and make the playing field more level. Thats what Snowe-Dorgan is all about. Why would the little guy want to tip the scale so massively in favor of a duopoly?
From my view if I was the CEO of AT&#38;T I would be doing exactly what he is dong now. But I'm the little guy and so I am fighting for laws that will keep the playing field more level. But yeah the big companies will always have an advantage.

Btw, I don't think there is anything in Snowe-Dorgan that would prevent the telco's from putting 20,000 servers all over globe and competing with Akamai in a fair manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;world&#8221;, not just the internet, is not a level playing field for the little guy as long as large companies exist however all kinds of laws, rules and regulations are in place to protect the little guy and to try and make the playing field more level. Thats what Snowe-Dorgan is all about. Why would the little guy want to tip the scale so massively in favor of a duopoly?<br />
From my view if I was the CEO of AT&amp;T I would be doing exactly what he is dong now. But I&#8217;m the little guy and so I am fighting for laws that will keep the playing field more level. But yeah the big companies will always have an advantage.</p>
<p>Btw, I don&#8217;t think there is anything in Snowe-Dorgan that would prevent the telco&#8217;s from putting 20,000 servers all over globe and competing with Akamai in a fair manner.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardBennett</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1608</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1608</guid>
		<description>The point is that with these services like Akamai in the mix, the Internet is not a level playing field where all you need is a server in a garage to compete. Akamai provides high-performance web site access by eliminating the middle man. What the telcos are suggesting they'd like to do is provide an alternative to Akamai. I don't see that as presaging the end of the Internet, but I look at the results of these things, not their aesthetics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that with these services like Akamai in the mix, the Internet is not a level playing field where all you need is a server in a garage to compete. Akamai provides high-performance web site access by eliminating the middle man. What the telcos are suggesting they&#8217;d like to do is provide an alternative to Akamai. I don&#8217;t see that as presaging the end of the Internet, but I look at the results of these things, not their aesthetics.</p>
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		<title>By: Raz</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1589</link>
		<dc:creator>Raz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1589</guid>
		<description>Here are some of Akamai's competitors:

http://www.pantherexpress.net/

http://www.savvis.net/corp/Products+Services/Digital+Content+Services/

http://www.vitalstream.com/content/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some of Akamai&#8217;s competitors:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pantherexpress.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pantherexpress.net/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.savvis.net/corp/Products+Services/Digital+Content+Services/" rel="nofollow">http://www.savvis.net/corp/Products+Services/Digital+Content+Services/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.vitalstream.com/content/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vitalstream.com/content/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Raz</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1571</link>
		<dc:creator>Raz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1571</guid>
		<description>This is my understanding of what Akamai does:

- They have placed a bunch of servers (20,000) all over the internet (71 countries) for the purpose of distrubuted processing and optimised routing of data for their customers (Yahoo! presumably is their bread and butter). 
- They do not have any special priortization tag provided to them by ISP's to speed up content delivery over the "last mile" to end users.      
- They have to go over shared internet traffic like everybody else (when not using one of their many smaller private networks) with the only advantage being improved routing not better prioritization. 

From what I can see, without Snowe-Dorgan Akamai will be charged a toll fee along with all the other large content/service providers who can afford to pay and I promise you Akamai would pay (they would go out of business if they didn't). The big telco's should not be given carte blanche discriminatory QoS no matter how many "neat" things they can do with it. Its too much power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my understanding of what Akamai does:</p>
<p>- They have placed a bunch of servers (20,000) all over the internet (71 countries) for the purpose of distrubuted processing and optimised routing of data for their customers (Yahoo! presumably is their bread and butter).<br />
- They do not have any special priortization tag provided to them by ISP&#8217;s to speed up content delivery over the &#8220;last mile&#8221; to end users.<br />
- They have to go over shared internet traffic like everybody else (when not using one of their many smaller private networks) with the only advantage being improved routing not better prioritization. </p>
<p>From what I can see, without Snowe-Dorgan Akamai will be charged a toll fee along with all the other large content/service providers who can afford to pay and I promise you Akamai would pay (they would go out of business if they didn&#8217;t). The big telco&#8217;s should not be given carte blanche discriminatory QoS no matter how many &#8220;neat&#8221; things they can do with it. Its too much power.</p>
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		<title>By: ChadB</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1559</link>
		<dc:creator>ChadB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1559</guid>
		<description>Does anyone know whether Akamai enters into exclusive deals with Internet content providers or plays favorites in some other way (by, for example, serving Google but not Yahoo)? 

Also, how competitive is the "on-ramp" market? Does Akamai have competition (so that Yahoo would have an alternative provider if Akamai turned them down)? Can Internet content providers create their own on-ramps (like I think Google has)?

And do these on-ramps effectively solve the jitter and latency problems with time-sensitive content, even as the Internet becomes more congested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know whether Akamai enters into exclusive deals with Internet content providers or plays favorites in some other way (by, for example, serving Google but not Yahoo)? </p>
<p>Also, how competitive is the &#8220;on-ramp&#8221; market? Does Akamai have competition (so that Yahoo would have an alternative provider if Akamai turned them down)? Can Internet content providers create their own on-ramps (like I think Google has)?</p>
<p>And do these on-ramps effectively solve the jitter and latency problems with time-sensitive content, even as the Internet becomes more congested?</p>
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		<title>By: RichardBennett</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1557</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1557</guid>
		<description>I'm not sure that "discriminatory QoS" is a bad thing. Web-based services can use services such as Akamai today that give them faster load times than conventional hosting, so the only thing we're really arguing about is whether the carriers should be allowed to compete with Akamai. 

I don't see that as the end of the Internet as we know it, frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that &#8220;discriminatory QoS&#8221; is a bad thing. Web-based services can use services such as Akamai today that give them faster load times than conventional hosting, so the only thing we&#8217;re really arguing about is whether the carriers should be allowed to compete with Akamai. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see that as the end of the Internet as we know it, frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: Raz</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1531</link>
		<dc:creator>Raz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 03:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1531</guid>
		<description>I'm parroting? Richard, your like the telco posterboy for anti NN. 

Like I said, the telco's would most likely not block much access to content/services regardless of any law making it illegal since doing so to any great extent would cause a huge public backlash. However lets compare the wording of the cope act vs. snowe-dorgan to determine which one offers better protection for the consumer:

Snowe-Dorgan: "`(1) not block, interfere with, discriminate against, impair, or degrade the ability of any person to use a broadband service to access, use, send, post, receive, or offer any lawful content, application, or service made available via the Internet;"

COPE act: "To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of
their choice."

Hmmm... I wonder which one I would want if I was a consumer that had just had a site blocked by my ISP?

Blocking sites is an afterthought. The telco's are focused on having a legal right to use a discriminatory QoS so they can blackmail large content/service providers, play favorites with competing services (esp. if they own the competing service lol) and decide the fate of startup innovators. All good for the ISP's (and perhaps for companies developing discriminatory QoS architecture) but all bad for the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m parroting? Richard, your like the telco posterboy for anti NN. </p>
<p>Like I said, the telco&#8217;s would most likely not block much access to content/services regardless of any law making it illegal since doing so to any great extent would cause a huge public backlash. However lets compare the wording of the cope act vs. snowe-dorgan to determine which one offers better protection for the consumer:</p>
<p>Snowe-Dorgan: &#8220;`(1) not block, interfere with, discriminate against, impair, or degrade the ability of any person to use a broadband service to access, use, send, post, receive, or offer any lawful content, application, or service made available via the Internet;&#8221;</p>
<p>COPE act: &#8220;To encourage broadband deployment and preserve and promote the open and interconnected nature of the public Internet, consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of<br />
their choice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmm&#8230; I wonder which one I would want if I was a consumer that had just had a site blocked by my ISP?</p>
<p>Blocking sites is an afterthought. The telco&#8217;s are focused on having a legal right to use a discriminatory QoS so they can blackmail large content/service providers, play favorites with competing services (esp. if they own the competing service lol) and decide the fate of startup innovators. All good for the ISP&#8217;s (and perhaps for companies developing discriminatory QoS architecture) but all bad for the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardBennett</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1522</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1522</guid>
		<description>You're simply parroting Google's arguments. 

The COPE Act makes it a crime to block access to any legal web site, and so does the Stevens bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re simply parroting Google&#8217;s arguments. </p>
<p>The COPE Act makes it a crime to block access to any legal web site, and so does the Stevens bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Raz</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1469</link>
		<dc:creator>Raz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1469</guid>
		<description>Hell no I don't believe much of anything google has to say lol. If the cope act in some way favored google then you can bet your last dollar they
would be singing another tune. I'm just thankful to have some big corporations fighting in my corner for a change.

You speak as if ISP's operate within a competitive environment and would actually have to worry about losing business if they did block content or services. The main thing ISP's would worry about in blocking a site or service would be a strong public outcry that resulted in NN laws being passed. Its not as if there is no precedent for ISP's blocking content however I don't think ISP's would block very much content but I really don't want them to have the legal right to do so.

ISP's don't have to deny access to a service or web site, all they have to
do is stick it in the slow lane so that their own product or those that can afford to pay the fast lane toll have a huge advantage. Google and the other internet giants will not be overly hurt by the cope act cause they can afford to pay for the fast lane. Innovative startup companies can ill afford to pay a fast lane toll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell no I don&#8217;t believe much of anything google has to say lol. If the cope act in some way favored google then you can bet your last dollar they<br />
would be singing another tune. I&#8217;m just thankful to have some big corporations fighting in my corner for a change.</p>
<p>You speak as if ISP&#8217;s operate within a competitive environment and would actually have to worry about losing business if they did block content or services. The main thing ISP&#8217;s would worry about in blocking a site or service would be a strong public outcry that resulted in NN laws being passed. Its not as if there is no precedent for ISP&#8217;s blocking content however I don&#8217;t think ISP&#8217;s would block very much content but I really don&#8217;t want them to have the legal right to do so.</p>
<p>ISP&#8217;s don&#8217;t have to deny access to a service or web site, all they have to<br />
do is stick it in the slow lane so that their own product or those that can afford to pay the fast lane toll have a huge advantage. Google and the other internet giants will not be overly hurt by the cope act cause they can afford to pay for the fast lane. Innovative startup companies can ill afford to pay a fast lane toll.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardBennett</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 11:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/07/13/the-daily-show-takes-on-stevens-and-his-bill/#comment-1467</guid>
		<description>&lt;/i&gt;Google is a big corporation too, Raz. Do you buy their argument that they want these regulations in order to help their competitors get off the ground?

ISPs don't make their money by denying access to web sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is a big corporation too, Raz. Do you buy their argument that they want these regulations in order to help their competitors get off the ground?</p>
<p>ISPs don&#8217;t make their money by denying access to web sites.</p>
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