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	<title>Comments on: When Telcos Speak with Forked Tongues</title>
	<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/</link>
	<description>Tracking the battle over Network Neutrality</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: virgin-phone-card.1phonecard</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-66535</link>
		<dc:creator>virgin-phone-card.1phonecard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: best-phone-card.1phonecard</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-66534</link>
		<dc:creator>best-phone-card.1phonecard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: online-prepaid-phone-calling-card.1phonecard</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-66533</link>
		<dc:creator>online-prepaid-phone-calling-card.1phonecard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: dushman</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator>dushman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-623</guid>
		<description>Richard,

Okay.... again, you didn't address a single point. 

-dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Okay&#8230;. again, you didn&#8217;t address a single point. </p>
<p>-dan</p>
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		<title>By: RichardBennett</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-620</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-620</guid>
		<description>Tim Berners-Lee refuses to debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Berners-Lee refuses to debate.</p>
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		<title>By: dushman</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>dushman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2006 06:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-614</guid>
		<description>Richard:

[quote]
“Net neutrality” is a simple concept, all it really means is “consumer pays.”
[/quote]

You are playing with words. You're clearly insinuating that consumers will pay more.

And yes, I disagree with what you are saying… for the countless reasons all over this website, this blog and in my other responses to you. For the reasons in PCB Liberal’s responses and also Tim’s responses. 

-d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard:</p>
<p>[quote]<br />
“Net neutrality” is a simple concept, all it really means is “consumer pays.”<br />
[/quote]</p>
<p>You are playing with words. You&#8217;re clearly insinuating that consumers will pay more.</p>
<p>And yes, I disagree with what you are saying… for the countless reasons all over this website, this blog and in my other responses to you. For the reasons in PCB Liberal’s responses and also Tim’s responses. </p>
<p>-d</p>
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		<title>By: RichardBennett</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardBennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-608</guid>
		<description>I didn't say "consumer pays more" I said "consumer pays, [period]."

So you disagree with what I actually said?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say &#8220;consumer pays more&#8221; I said &#8220;consumer pays, [period].&#8221;</p>
<p>So you disagree with what I actually said?</p>
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		<title>By: dushman</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-605</link>
		<dc:creator>dushman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-605</guid>
		<description>Mark,

Well spoken ;-]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Well spoken ;-]</p>
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		<title>By: dushman</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>dushman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-604</guid>
		<description>Mark,

That is true, but beyond all that the main reason is because they have to offer lower prices than each other. They get those prices low through numerous means but the actual reason is because they have a lot of competition.

If cable and telco companies had serious competition then our quality of service would increase and costs decrease. But they don't, and thus they don't have to lower prices or increase quality of service.

Richard McCurry,

You really crack me up...lol.
The "consumers pay more" thing is hillarious. It is such clear BS. 

Without network neutrality consumers will end up paying extra for everything in an al-la-carte Internet service.  Not the other way around. 

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>That is true, but beyond all that the main reason is because they have to offer lower prices than each other. They get those prices low through numerous means but the actual reason is because they have a lot of competition.</p>
<p>If cable and telco companies had serious competition then our quality of service would increase and costs decrease. But they don&#8217;t, and thus they don&#8217;t have to lower prices or increase quality of service.</p>
<p>Richard McCurry,</p>
<p>You really crack me up&#8230;lol.<br />
The &#8220;consumers pay more&#8221; thing is hillarious. It is such clear BS. </p>
<p>Without network neutrality consumers will end up paying extra for everything in an al-la-carte Internet service.  Not the other way around. </p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: PBCliberal</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>PBCliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/20/when-telcos-speak-with-forked-tongues/#comment-603</guid>
		<description>&lt;b&gt;Bennett-&#62;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;"And if, as you say, “neutrality” is the law of the Internet and always has been, there’s no way we could know a priori what the consequences of abandoning it might be. One that comes readily to mind is subsidized connections so more poor people could have broadband."&lt;/i&gt;

This would be a more compelling argument if the CEOs hadn't told us their intentions in response to the analysts wondering aloud where future revenue growth will come from at telcos who no longer are on the leading edge of telecommunications development.

As far as magnanamous acts of philanthropy, telcos and cableconglomerates' histories speak for themselves. These are the folks who have been papering state legislatures with money to get them to outlaw free municipal wifi while pursuing poilicies that redline broadband in poorer areas of the city, through the argument that there's not sufficient return on investment.

I don't know why the Black Chamber of commerce or LULAC is promoting this, just as I don't know why McCurry is dissembling in an area he knows little about. I smell money. 

You're big on claiming you have virtue. I'm not in a position to say one way or the other, but it appears that you have no ability to see it in others, or you wouldn't be making the arguments you're making about telcos underwriting broadband for the poor and trying to play the race card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Bennett-&gt;</b><i>&#8220;And if, as you say, “neutrality” is the law of the Internet and always has been, there’s no way we could know a priori what the consequences of abandoning it might be. One that comes readily to mind is subsidized connections so more poor people could have broadband.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>This would be a more compelling argument if the CEOs hadn&#8217;t told us their intentions in response to the analysts wondering aloud where future revenue growth will come from at telcos who no longer are on the leading edge of telecommunications development.</p>
<p>As far as magnanamous acts of philanthropy, telcos and cableconglomerates&#8217; histories speak for themselves. These are the folks who have been papering state legislatures with money to get them to outlaw free municipal wifi while pursuing poilicies that redline broadband in poorer areas of the city, through the argument that there&#8217;s not sufficient return on investment.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why the Black Chamber of commerce or LULAC is promoting this, just as I don&#8217;t know why McCurry is dissembling in an area he knows little about. I smell money. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re big on claiming you have virtue. I&#8217;m not in a position to say one way or the other, but it appears that you have no ability to see it in others, or you wouldn&#8217;t be making the arguments you&#8217;re making about telcos underwriting broadband for the poor and trying to play the race card.</p>
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