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		<title>By: UCRO.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; house ignores public sells out the internet</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-122747</link>
		<dc:creator>UCRO.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; house ignores public sells out the internet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#187; Save the Internet Blog Archive House Ignores Public, Sells Out &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-1331</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Save the Internet Blog Archive House Ignores Public, Sells Out &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Save the Internet Blog Archive House Ignores Public, Sells Out &#8230; INSPIONS Setback for Internet, Net Neutrality was rejected in House of &#8230; So, if you haven t heard yet, the house voted against internet neutrality. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Save the Internet Blog Archive House Ignores Public, Sells Out &#8230; INSPIONS Setback for Internet, Net Neutrality was rejected in House of &#8230; So, if you haven t heard yet, the house voted against internet neutrality. &#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Falcon</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-580</link>
		<dc:creator>Falcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 11:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-580</guid>
		<description>I think there is a middle ground to this issue that most people would agree with. It's not quite "net neutrality", yet it's not quite "hands off" either.

Here's why we SHOULD let the telcos and cable companies create the "fast lane": Currently, things like streaming HD video and audio content over the net in realtime just can't happen. The networks need to be faster and/or data transmission needs to be constant. Sure, you can download it and watch it later, but as more and more content becomes on-demand, being able to get the content in realtime just makes sense. 

This opens up a world of possibilities...  Imagine not having to buy any movies or music, but instead paying fractions of a penny to listen to each song or a little more to watch a movie or TV show whenever you want to at the highest quality. Moving from storage technology to storage technology (such as record to cassette to CD) would no longer be an issue. Would we have to make sure companies couldn't abuse prices? Yes. But imagine listening to any song or watching any movie or TV show you wanted to right now and being able to do so legally and affordably. The artists and creators get paid for the amount of time people view their work. Instead of owning the content, you use it. That would solve a lot of copyright issues the net is currently having, but that's a completely different topic.

What we SHOULD NOT let them do is censor or prioritize information within each lane or realm.  CNN's site should load just as fast as your blog,  Cartoon Network should be broadcast in the same quality as the History Channel, and you should be able to access both savetheinternet.com and handsoff.org.

In an ideal world, networks would be so fast that this wouldn't be an issue. You could send the data faster than it was used. For something like streaming hundreds of HDTV channels, prioritization of packets is just a reality. HDTV packets would have to be given higher priority than your grandma's e-mail. Grandma's e-mail can afford to get pushed back a millisecond or two (again, as long as the practice isn't abused). Time critical applications such as high def video and games can't. Some day, maybe the pipes will be big enough that we can just shove everything through one pipe, but right now they'd just choke.  

So, in summary... I think the majority of the posters here would agree that this would be the ideal situation: Additional lanes (whether conceptual or physical) such as a high-def content lane or medical lane should be able to be added, but the data in each "lane" (all web sites, for example) should not be prioritized or censored. Data from msn.com and savetheinternet.com should travel at the same speed, as should data from the channels ABC and CBS. Innovation in ways content and information is given to us is possible, but the freedom and integrity of that information remains intact. With complete net neutrality as I've seen it described, we'd be stuck where we are now forever. But I agree that with no regulation at all, it means the telcos and cable companies could have their way with us and charge extremely high prices. 

Some regulations are needed, but not full-blown "net neutrality". Yes, that means we'll have to watch the big dogs to make sure they play fair while building their better network, but as consumers we should always be doing just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a middle ground to this issue that most people would agree with. It&#8217;s not quite &#8220;net neutrality&#8221;, yet it&#8217;s not quite &#8220;hands off&#8221; either.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s why we SHOULD let the telcos and cable companies create the &#8220;fast lane&#8221;: Currently, things like streaming HD video and audio content over the net in realtime just can&#8217;t happen. The networks need to be faster and/or data transmission needs to be constant. Sure, you can download it and watch it later, but as more and more content becomes on-demand, being able to get the content in realtime just makes sense. </p>
<p>This opens up a world of possibilities&#8230;  Imagine not having to buy any movies or music, but instead paying fractions of a penny to listen to each song or a little more to watch a movie or TV show whenever you want to at the highest quality. Moving from storage technology to storage technology (such as record to cassette to CD) would no longer be an issue. Would we have to make sure companies couldn&#8217;t abuse prices? Yes. But imagine listening to any song or watching any movie or TV show you wanted to right now and being able to do so legally and affordably. The artists and creators get paid for the amount of time people view their work. Instead of owning the content, you use it. That would solve a lot of copyright issues the net is currently having, but that&#8217;s a completely different topic.</p>
<p>What we SHOULD NOT let them do is censor or prioritize information within each lane or realm.  CNN&#8217;s site should load just as fast as your blog,  Cartoon Network should be broadcast in the same quality as the History Channel, and you should be able to access both savetheinternet.com and handsoff.org.</p>
<p>In an ideal world, networks would be so fast that this wouldn&#8217;t be an issue. You could send the data faster than it was used. For something like streaming hundreds of HDTV channels, prioritization of packets is just a reality. HDTV packets would have to be given higher priority than your grandma&#8217;s e-mail. Grandma&#8217;s e-mail can afford to get pushed back a millisecond or two (again, as long as the practice isn&#8217;t abused). Time critical applications such as high def video and games can&#8217;t. Some day, maybe the pipes will be big enough that we can just shove everything through one pipe, but right now they&#8217;d just choke.  </p>
<p>So, in summary&#8230; I think the majority of the posters here would agree that this would be the ideal situation: Additional lanes (whether conceptual or physical) such as a high-def content lane or medical lane should be able to be added, but the data in each &#8220;lane&#8221; (all web sites, for example) should not be prioritized or censored. Data from msn.com and savetheinternet.com should travel at the same speed, as should data from the channels ABC and CBS. Innovation in ways content and information is given to us is possible, but the freedom and integrity of that information remains intact. With complete net neutrality as I&#8217;ve seen it described, we&#8217;d be stuck where we are now forever. But I agree that with no regulation at all, it means the telcos and cable companies could have their way with us and charge extremely high prices. </p>
<p>Some regulations are needed, but not full-blown &#8220;net neutrality&#8221;. Yes, that means we&#8217;ll have to watch the big dogs to make sure they play fair while building their better network, but as consumers we should always be doing just that.</p>
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		<title>By: The Snark</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>The Snark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-494</guid>
		<description>Two points.
1. Try web surfing in China: Gee, where's the search engine? What is this web site? Why can't I get...
Don't you wish all those lawmakers had to rely on web access like China has for their records of which lobby group they should be sucking up to?
2. Being from California our (present) best shot is Senator B. Boxer. The information I have received from her has been very positive. She claims she is even trying to improve the weak wordingin present legislation ensuring NN.
However, a few years back as an elected official, I went head to head with Boxer when she was rubber stamping logging company vested interests. Which side of the fence is she really sitting on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points.<br />
1. Try web surfing in China: Gee, where&#8217;s the search engine? What is this web site? Why can&#8217;t I get&#8230;<br />
Don&#8217;t you wish all those lawmakers had to rely on web access like China has for their records of which lobby group they should be sucking up to?<br />
2. Being from California our (present) best shot is Senator B. Boxer. The information I have received from her has been very positive. She claims she is even trying to improve the weak wordingin present legislation ensuring NN.<br />
However, a few years back as an elected official, I went head to head with Boxer when she was rubber stamping logging company vested interests. Which side of the fence is she really sitting on?</p>
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		<title>By: Sword_thunder</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-493</link>
		<dc:creator>Sword_thunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jun 2006 02:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-493</guid>
		<description>With so many interesting posts about the NN situation it gives one pause... the story is so complicated.  If they made it about the 'technology' maybe things would be simpler.  I remember when AOL had maybe 50 websites and everything was under construction (remember when they charged by the hour?)  It was and is always about the money. (I liked my free "Pine" unix-based internet better at the time with so much more info... different and more advanced info).  This is a real moment in history... Bill Gates... The FCC vs. NN (theory)...

"Bill Gates has had a huge impact on the industry.  For good or ill, Microsoft, along with IBM, was responsible for turning the personal computer from a somewhat exotic device used by hobbyists and a few early adopters into a ubiquitous tool used by billions of people. Along the way, Microsoft evolved from a small software company to an industry juggernaut with its fingers in pies ranging from cell phones to game consoles to big iron servers. 

Of course, the company was later reviled by people who believed it was suppressing innovation and competition through hardball marketing and sales tactics. Microsoft has been investigated by just about every government in the developed world for antitrust violation."... 

"Love him or hate him, Bill Gates had a consistent vision of what technology could do for all of us. These days, clear vision seems to be lacking in the technology game. Let's hope that someone else—not necessarily from Microsoft—can step in to fill that void." (read full story at: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1977432,00.asp


It always ends up about the money.  Maybe we should all put in our notice &#38; move to Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With so many interesting posts about the NN situation it gives one pause&#8230; the story is so complicated.  If they made it about the &#8216;technology&#8217; maybe things would be simpler.  I remember when AOL had maybe 50 websites and everything was under construction (remember when they charged by the hour?)  It was and is always about the money. (I liked my free &#8220;Pine&#8221; unix-based internet better at the time with so much more info&#8230; different and more advanced info).  This is a real moment in history&#8230; Bill Gates&#8230; The FCC vs. NN (theory)&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Bill Gates has had a huge impact on the industry.  For good or ill, Microsoft, along with IBM, was responsible for turning the personal computer from a somewhat exotic device used by hobbyists and a few early adopters into a ubiquitous tool used by billions of people. Along the way, Microsoft evolved from a small software company to an industry juggernaut with its fingers in pies ranging from cell phones to game consoles to big iron servers. </p>
<p>Of course, the company was later reviled by people who believed it was suppressing innovation and competition through hardball marketing and sales tactics. Microsoft has been investigated by just about every government in the developed world for antitrust violation.&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;Love him or hate him, Bill Gates had a consistent vision of what technology could do for all of us. These days, clear vision seems to be lacking in the technology game. Let&#8217;s hope that someone else—not necessarily from Microsoft—can step in to fill that void.&#8221; (read full story at: <a href="http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1977432,00.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1977432,00.asp</a></p>
<p>It always ends up about the money.  Maybe we should all put in our notice &amp; move to Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: yarrow</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-435</link>
		<dc:creator>yarrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-435</guid>
		<description>its all about money and who you want on your side. rite now, the goverment( we dident reilly want Bush, but he's hear) whats AT&#38;T, Verison and Bellsouth. since they have more power (money) they get to decide what happends.

WHERE IS OUR CONTREY?!!???
LETS TAKE IT BACK, STARTING NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its all about money and who you want on your side. rite now, the goverment( we dident reilly want Bush, but he&#8217;s hear) whats AT&amp;T, Verison and Bellsouth. since they have more power (money) they get to decide what happends.</p>
<p>WHERE IS OUR CONTREY?!!???<br />
LETS TAKE IT BACK, STARTING NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: registrar84</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator>registrar84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-433</guid>
		<description>You have heard the statement, "Money talks, everything else walks". Well in this case, "everything else" includes petitions. However, if 50 million broadband subscribers who also utilize the same carrier for their cable TV, were to discontinue those services, well folks that is 5 Billion Dollars in lost revenue (Money). That would be one significant statement!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have heard the statement, &#8220;Money talks, everything else walks&#8221;. Well in this case, &#8220;everything else&#8221; includes petitions. However, if 50 million broadband subscribers who also utilize the same carrier for their cable TV, were to discontinue those services, well folks that is 5 Billion Dollars in lost revenue (Money). That would be one significant statement!</p>
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		<title>By: Nudecybot &#187; Network Neutrality = Internet Freedom</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>Nudecybot &#187; Network Neutrality = Internet Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-428</guid>
		<description>[...] In recent news (thanks AC) savetheinternet.com reports &#8220;House Ignores Public, Sells Out the Internet&#8220;:  Last night’s House vote against an amendment that would make Net Neutrality enforceable is the result of swarming lobbyists and a multi-million-dollar media campaign by telephone companies that want Congress to hand them control of the Internet. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In recent news (thanks AC) savetheinternet.com reports &#8220;House Ignores Public, Sells Out the Internet&#8220;:  Last night’s House vote against an amendment that would make Net Neutrality enforceable is the result of swarming lobbyists and a multi-million-dollar media campaign by telephone companies that want Congress to hand them control of the Internet. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: annmarie</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>annmarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-427</guid>
		<description>Karen:
You should have mentioned what entry the Norm Augustinus bit on Net Neutrality could be found over at Madge Weinstein's site...
After some looking find the Norm thing in the latest entry, June 12.
http://www.yeastradio.com

By the way, it's funny as hell.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen:<br />
You should have mentioned what entry the Norm Augustinus bit on Net Neutrality could be found over at Madge Weinstein&#8217;s site&#8230;<br />
After some looking find the Norm thing in the latest entry, June 12.<br />
<a href="http://www.yeastradio.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.yeastradio.com</a></p>
<p>By the way, it&#8217;s funny as hell.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Zeal&#8217;s Blog &#183; Net Neutrality lost an important battle</title>
		<link>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeal&#8217;s Blog &#183; Net Neutrality lost an important battle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2006/06/09/house-ignores-public-sells-out-the-internet/#comment-426</guid>
		<description>[...] 一直致力于推动Net neutrality的Savetheinternet发表了House Ignores Public, Sells Out the Internet的帖子，失望之余，开始寄希望于参议院能通过Internet Freedom Preservation Act of 2006。（不太明白参众两院是咋工作的，//blush) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 一直致力于推动Net neutrality的Savetheinternet发表了House Ignores Public, Sells Out the Internet的帖子，失望之余，开始寄希望于参议院能通过Internet Freedom Preservation Act of 2006。（不太明白参众两院是咋工作的，//blush) [&#8230;]</p>
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